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โ The Future of MeshChatX โ
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โ Ivan #1 โ
โ f489752fbef161c6 โ
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โธ 13d ago
Hello all just want to give update on development of MeshChatX and things to come.
In 4.8.6 nomadnet browser will render pages in a sandboxed iframe tabs and Windows will
use AppContainer by default (Native OS Sandboxing). You can view sandboxing status in
about page. Linux already uses landlock and seccomp-bpf when it can. Micron-Parser-Go
(Micron WASM renderer in MeshChatX) will have better Arabic/Persian support in v1.0.7 or
v4.8.6 of MeshChatX.
I have been working on various map improvements, GPX support, and ability to share maps
efficiently publicly or privately. I am still finalizing and testing my ideas so dont
have much to say on this right now.
RRC hub for MeshChatX project is coming sometime this week. I am also deploying a LXMFy
bot where you can report issues, make suggestions or submit patches so I can better track
them and you dont need to use GitHub or message me directly if you dont want to. I am
improving meshchatx documentation and adding it to the website.
If you submit ideas make sure to consult the Reticulum zen first.
Finally there will be extended time between releases so I can properly test across
various platforms and different scenarios.
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โ Ivan wrote:
โ I have been working on various map improvements, GPX support, and ability to share
โ maps efficiently publicly or privately. I am still finalizing and testing my ideas
โ so dont have much to say on this right now.
Could we get WGS84 and UTM coordinates in the map in addition to just longitudinal
coordinates? I and several other people use a fork of MCX that I wrote which has this,
and can ship it off as a .patch if you want.
Longitudinal coordinates are basically useless for 90% of purposes. The conversion of
longitudinal coordinates to UTM even with a computer is extremely difficult to do
offline. I would also suggest making UTM the default instead of longitudinal coordinates,
or maybe have the grid system selectable as a dropdown of some sort. Let me know via LXMF
if you are interested and want to collaborate on development
Not trying to criticize the map feature btw, it's awesome! But not very useful for
offline cases.
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โธ 13d ago
Also Open Location Codes https://github.com/google/open-location-code would be awesome
too. It's one of the (few) good things Google has done and it works entirely offline and
is open source and less error prone than something like what3words
https://github.com/google/open-location-code/blob/main/python/openlocationcode/openlocatio
ncode.py
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โธ 13d ago
What do you think about simplifying the user interface? I suggested your program to many
people and I saw that the person was confused for the first time and completely abandoned
Reticulum and said, "What's your problem? Why don't you use Telegram?"
Then I thought to myself, "Why didn't I suggest Columba so that he would be less
confused?"
And on the other hand, I was like, "Meshchatx is full of features, but that program
doesn't have any special features?"
What do you think? It should look better, or have an advanced option and a simple option,
and if you want, you can throw out its features. Of course, I noticed that you tried to
do that in the last few months, but a little more.
And regarding its initial setup, I think you should make it so that even a person who is
completely unaware of this network can proceed. And for example, no special settings are
required, several initial nodes are automatically selected and then the rest of the nodes
are discovered, and several automatic connections are enabled by default, so that even if
the user doesn't know, the network still works automatically.
thank you for your work.
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โธ 13d ago
โ Ivan wrote:
โ Finally there will be extended time between releases so I can properly test across
โ various platforms and different scenarios.
YES - PLEASE - THANK-YOU so very much
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โ f489752fbef161c6 โ
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โธ 12d ago
โ Zenith wrote:
โ Could we get WGS84 and UTM coordinates in the map in addition to just longitudinal
โ coordinates? I and several other people use a fork of MCX that I wrote which has
โ this, and can ship it off as a .patch if you want.
Yes that would be great! Improving the map, especially for offline usage has been on my
mind for a while.
โ Boltic wrote:
โ What do you think about simplifying the user interface? I suggested your program to
โ many people and I saw that the person was confused for the first time and
โ completely abandoned Reticulum and said, "What's your problem? Why don't you use
โ Telegram?"
Yes I have been working on making UI/UX better and experimenting with various methods to
help new users.
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โธ 12d ago
Thanks for all the work on MeshChatX Ivan! It's a fantastic client with so much
functionality built in.
I especially appreciate the sustained attention to details, security hardening, version
pinning and attestation, that you have put a lot of effort into. Not many applications,
even outside Reticulum, take it so seriously, and that is incredibly nice to see.
While I agree it's nice to have "simple UX" for new users sometimes, I hope you won't
scrape away the advanced functionality and plethora of options for us users who know what
we're doing and want it there ;) I have family members in their 70s who really enjoy
using MCX as it is, and find it perfectly intuitive, so take the need for simplicity with
a grain of salt.
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โธ 12d ago
Progressive disclosure is a good principle to follow. It makes it less overwhelming for
beginners while keeping advanced functionality easy to reach for advanced users.
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โธ 12d ago
โ Ivan wrote:
โ I have been working on various map improvements, GPX support, and ability to share
โ maps efficiently publicly or privately. I am still finalizing and testing my ideas
โ so dont have much to say on this right now.
โ
Definitely curious to see your thoughts on map sharing. I had something half-baked for
this about 6-9 months ago that I never did finish. The goal was to provide a way to
download any arbitrary map region over reticulum, instead of relying on http. The rough
shape I was going towards was that map providers (users who want to share/host maps)
could announce their coverage areas (potentially by geohash(es)), and map requesters
(users who want to download a given map) could then request a subset (or all) of said
coverage from a known destination (discovered via the aforementioned announces).
I ran into some indecision around handling, for lack of a better term, map authentication
- how does a requester know that a given map tile is not maliciously modified? You could
include hashes of the tiles, maybe have the provider sign them, maybe compare hashes for
the same tile from multiple providers, but this all circles around trusting a map
provider, and I didn't like that for reticulum. Private sharing, as you mentioned, gets
around this at the design level, assuming you implicitly trust the person privately
providing you a map.
The other sticking point I ran into was formatting - vector vs. raster. At first I
thought to just only use vector since it's smaller on the wire, and then discovered that
the ESP32-S3 doesn't have enough power to render vector maps (and I wanted this design to
work on the t-deck). This is a topic that is new to me so hopefully there is some obvious
solution that I'm just ignorant to.
Anyway, just figured I'd share my thoughts here :) happy to brainstorm here or elsewhere
if you'd like.
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โ Mark wrote:
โ While I agree it's nice to have "simple UX" for new users sometimes, I hope you
โ won't scrape away the advanced functionality and plethora of options for us users
โ who know what we're doing and want it there ;) I have family members in their 70s
โ who really enjoy using MCX as it is, and find it perfectly intuitive, so take the
โ need for simplicity with a grain of salt.
Yes I definitely do not want to do that. I will try to find a sweet spot.
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